China’s pirated Navy
By P. Chacko Joseph | February 4th, 2009 | Category: Opinions and Articles | 10 comments
Chinese Navy (PLA Navy, PLAN) anti-piracy task force set sail Friday for Africa in December, 2008. The missile-armed destroyers DDG-171 Haikou, DDG-169 Wuhan and the supply ship Weishanhu are among the Chinese most sophisticated ships. Lieutenant Commander Xie Zengling bragged in Xinhua that (one member of his unit) “could handle several enemies with his bare hands”. Two helicopters are accompanying the flotilla.
Barely a month after that the Chinese newspaper claimed that their warships sent to fight piracy in waters off Somalia were stalked by an Indian attack submarine and the two sides became locked in a tense stand-off for at least half-an-hour. The report was promptly rubbished by India.
What better publicity if Chinese busted an Indian Navy asset, Indian navy hogged all limelight when it repeatedly busted Somalian pirates.
While DDG-169 Wuhan (Type 052B) is is built with considerable Russian technology, DDG-171 Haikou (Type 052C) is dubbed as completely based on indigenous technology apart from a few sensors is nothing but a pirated design (similar to the Netherlands APAR system) with pirated electronics. The two so called Shaanxi diesel engines is pirated design of the MTU 20V956TB92.
HQ-9 missile is known as a copy of S-300 5V55-series missiles with guidance system developed from the stolen technology of U.S. Patriot missile system.
Yu-7 torpedo is the Chinese copy of the US Mk 46 Mod. 2 light ASW torpedo.
The YJ-62 (C-602) is the further development of SS-N-2 Styx copy YJ-6 (C-601).
A pirated navy chasing pirates? Hopefully Chinese New Year, 2009, the Year of Ox, bring genuine reasons.
It was really great to know that Chinese forces has so many “stolen” assets. What an awesome title given to them ” pirates chasing pirates”. Chinese forces can be powerful in number but still they don’t have enough ability to make china a world power.
I’m really gettin scared about china’s navy
they seem to be captained by loose cannons and even looser mouths
if they get jittery so fast as to call for help and send torpedo helos, god help the PLAN in a war!!
It is clear that the only way they could have got the kilo to surface would have been depth charges and torps… even active sonar pingswould have been not much good. Our sub commanders are not fools, and neither are those who appoint them – they are the coolest hands of the Indian Ocean, and know how to take on any situation.
Anyone with an IQ over 70 would know that depth charges and torpedos would be a grave provocation, an act of war! If the Chinese commanders actually got jittery enough (after only an hour) to take such an action, that only points out to their insecurity and lack of strategic training. Whats even more surprising is that their propaganda machine actually decided to fete the actions of their loose cannons and publicize it….
More like zombies in high seas. I wonder if the Chinese are there for pro-piracy deployment.
There are two issues here. (1)Indian Navy was the first to take offensive action against the Somali pirates. This earned us some well deserved praise. The Chinese have been very active in the African and the Middle East. They have made considerable inroads and established goodwill – arms sales + infrastructure development activities. Indian MEA efforts have yielded little efforts in establishing India’s interests in Africa. It is this strong position that China has developed that was primarily at risk. So the Chinese, having belatedly arrived at the Gulf, rattled their sabre at the local level. Their allegation that India shadowed their vessels for a number of days is important. Because once in the Gulf, both navies would have occassion to be in visual proximity, as well as, in BVR positions. We must now wait and see what response India will provide and whether the Chinese will seek to remedy the fallout of this incident. there is no substitute for force / strength. Politics is the mere expression of the force and not the force itself. (2) The fact that their weapons systems are ‘pirated’ versions may be an accurate though useless ‘moralistic’ nitpicking. Point is they have systems which today, in most areas, are both superior and numerous in comparision to ours. Who cares if it is pirated? When used it will work and that’s all that matters. Why, after 60 years of Independence, do we still have to buy our weapon systems?
Oh No! gulliable Indian Alert!
Dipack Hattengdi.
I was so irked by your comments. here is some food for your commie mindset.
(quote)China Free Press reports that the Wednesday February 4 English-language South China Morning Post, as well as the mainstream mainland newspaper Qingdao Morning News and web portals Sina and QQ reported the alarming news that two PLA destroyers–while serving as escort ships off the coast of Somalia–engaged in sonar jamming with an Indian navy submarine and that the Chinese destroyers had forced the Indian sub to surface. The source of this story was a past issue of the PLA-produced “Peoples Liberation Army Life” monthly magazine. But that story was about a PLA Navy training operation. A Qingdao Morning Newspaper reporter plagiarized the “Peoples Liberation Army Life” monthly magazine story and presented it as a real event instead of a naval exercise. The South China Morning Post, Hong Kong’s leading English-language daily specializing in covering China, is very influential internationally this story circulated quite widely and caused significant alarm before being exposed as a fake.(/quote)
Nikhil
You have perhaps not read my comments in the context in which they stand and are so intended. Your only contention is that the Chinese are lying / copying / pirating etc etc. Fact is, these are stupid simplicities with which we try to explain away our own inadequacies. Since 1947 we have been more concerned with what the world ‘thinks’ of us. Who cares? If you ‘own’ strength the world listens, period! We have the talent, natural resources, economic wherewithal but no national character! That is precisely why after 60 years of Independence, we are still buying our weapon systems and not making them! Pirate them, who cares, so long as you have them to use against the enemy! And I am not a ‘Commie’ but a ‘Kemalist’ thank you. Further, I may know more about how our boys in uniform have conducted themselves over the last 120 years, (at times under deplorable conditions but always gallantly, as in 1962),to be influenced by what the Chinese or indeed, any other press may have to say.
It is absolutely correct, the Chinese manufacturing base is so strong that they can make anything, copy anything. We have a lot of catching up to do. But we are getting there. Looking to the West for approval is a legacy of the Nehru era. We are shedding it but too slowly for comfort. Maybe when the next generation of politicians take over…….
We have never seen their performance. The user countries complain about their quality. Show mw third party users who praise their quality.
What this article says:
1) Chinese claim is wrong
2) India Trashes the report
What is said in the article is Chinese claim is wrong, their weapons are not their own but copying. All is being asked is Chinese to be little more “genuine.”
I do not see this article as an nit picking the chinese production capabilities. Chinese can’t be a great power with lies and theft. Thats the message.